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Contents 1 Alive? 2 Appearances 3 New pic 4 Status 5 Antagonist in 3 Seasons? 6 Re-election?

[edit] Alive?

Renee Walker mentioned that Logan got a slap on the wrist to Jack. I definitely didn't hear her words meaning "he still lives on the ranch" so I'm certain our best bet is to leave him unknown. Essentially, she was summarizing what happened to him as punishment for his conspiracy, not what he was doing still. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 17:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't have the episodes available, unfortunately, but I definitely remember there being a line of dialogue last night that made it clear Logan was still alive. --Proudhug 19:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

All I remember about Logan in S7 is a mention about his punishment, nothing about him still being alive. But I'll trust what you (and the other editors who've made similar changes) heard and in fact I just changed his category. I can't say I don't have any doubt though. Do you remember any context, for what it's worth? Blue Rook  talk  contribs 20:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, globaltv.com has the episodes (fox.com won't let Canadians watch)! I checked the scene with Tony and Jack in the interrogation room:

Tony: Money's the only reason I have left for doing anything. The government took care of that.

Jack: The government did not kill Michelle. Charles Logan did.

Tony: Charles Logan is a product of his environment!

Tony says "Logan is" rather than "Logan was." That's enough for me. --Proudhug 20:08, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I completely didn't recall that dialogue. Good ears man, it seems sufficient for even me to consider him alive then. Guess it was just selective hearing because I was just biased as I hoped he was dead? Blue Rook  talk  contribs 21:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Logan is my favourite 24 character of all time. Believe me, I was gonna hear any reference to the possibility of his return. :) --Proudhug 01:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

My apologies, but it isn't enough for me. Is it not possible that that was a slip of the tongue, or some ignorance of Logan's assassination attempt and current whereabouts? OneWeirdDude 23:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC) P.S. My apologies again, I just want to make sure every angle is explored, and there are no unknown characters listed as otherwise.

No need to apologize for taking the other side of a debate! (we're not in the Bush administration anymore, so you won't be getting one of these in your mailbox) The person I think needs to address your concern is Proudhug, and I'll defer to whatever you two/others decide upon. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 00:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, what have we got to go on except what's said in the show? Sure, pretty much everything we hear from characters could be a lie, a slip of the tongue, or just plain ignorance, but where would we be if we questioned everything that was ever said on the show? Unless you have some other evidence we've missed, or you can cast reasonable doubt on Tony's remark, I see no justification in reverting Logan to Unknown. --Proudhug 02:34, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Renee Walker's comment does not show that Logan is alive. Jack said that everyone involved in the conspiracy is dead or in prison, and Renee remarks that Logan "got" (past tense) a slap on the wrist and was sentenced to house arrest. The comment can be taken in two ways:

a) Either she is correcting Jack and pointing out that not everyone involved in the conspiracy is actually in dead or in jail, implying that Logan is alive.

b) Or, she is giving a further reason why Tony would be angry, because Logan got away with it. This is compatible with Logan being dead, because Tony could still be angry that Logan only got a slap on the wrist even if he was later killed in unrelated domestic violence. In fact, I would say this was the most plausible interpretation, because it would be bizarre if Jack was somehow mistaken in his belief that everyone was dead or in jail. In fact, the only way what both Jack and Renee said could both be true is if Logan was dead.

Tony's comment in the present tense in episode 3 is the proof that Logan is still alive. Renee's comment in episode one doesn't show he's alive at all. 12:25, 5 May 2009

[edit] Appearances

Has Logan appeared in every episode of season 5? -CWY2190 03:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

No. --Proudhug 03:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

He did not appear in Day 5 9:00pm-10:00pm. - Willo 11 April 2006

I remember now, he missed one--that was a good episode!-CWY2190 20:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Just to add my 2c, I've just gone and watched the episode in its entirety, Logan doesn't appear in this episode. Steve^Talk 01:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New pic

Updated pic to promo from this season. --Pyramidhead 18:34, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

This page looks better with the official cast photo from S5. Plus, it gives some consistency across the site. --Proudhug 08:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I know this is an old discussion, I agree with Proudhug. I think that the S5 Pic should be put back. I'm gonna do it, but if anyone has any objections thats fine. Snsean11 03:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Simon reverted your edit, and I actually agree with that, now. I think it's best to use the most recent promo image for characters, even if they're not very good. --Proudhug 17:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Fine with me. Snsean11 06:52, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Status

Should we give Logan a "Dead" tag considering that he flatlined and that the writers never bothered going back to Logan?

It may be true that he seems to have been completely written off... but we can't be certain if he survived or not. Because of the uncertainty, it would be unencyclopedic to say "deceased" as if it were a fact. Pretty sure he can be called dead if some character next season verbally mentions it, or if there is some proof for sure provided. – Blue Rook 05:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)_talkcontribs

No, we don't know wheater he's dead or alive, John Keeler on the other hand is a different story.

Different how? Do you know something that no one else noticed? --Proudhug 03:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, accroding to a recent interview, one of the producers told Gregory Itzin that Charles Logan was in fact not dead. Maybe somebody should change his status, but then again, this information could be counted as a spoiler. I don't know...just thought it might be something I should tell you guys. - Stv naba 13:59, 21 August 2007

What interview did this come from?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.134.29.170 on 22:44, 2008 July 18

I don't know myself, and I couldn't find it out there, but feel free to check back, someone might drop our answer here. Just so you know, the discussion you're replying to is more than a year old. – Blue Rook 03:21, 19 July 2008 (UTC)_talkcontribs

• Itzin confirmed he's not dead. I saw it on a YouTube video where he was being interviewed. Officially, on the TV show, his status is unknown, however, and it should stay that way for now. He's neither confirmed dead or alive. Steve C // talk // email // 03:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

UPDATE Season 7 episode 1, it is clearly implied that he is alive. Jack said everyone involved was in prison or dead, and the FBI agent responded that Logan only recieved a slap on the wrist and a 100 acre ranch. Updating status to alive.

[edit] Antagonist in 3 Seasons?

Should we make a note that Logan was an antagonist that appeared in 3 seasons along with Mandy and Cheng? -Snsean11 02:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

• I don't think so, no. I think if he were to be categorised into eiter Governmental characters or Antagonists, he'd be classed as a governmental character. Steve C // talk // email // 03:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, its hard to call him an antagonist in Season 6. --SignorSimon _{(talk/contribs/email)} 08:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Let's also mention that Charlie Logan only revealed himself as a villain in the 5th DVD (10H-11H). 200.158.244.217 21:46, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

You're definitely welcome to make mention of that in a note. We cannot include that in the body of the article because that fact relates to what the audience has seen, but articles here are written in-universe. An in-universe section cannot contain reference to when something was revealed to the audience independently. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 20:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re-election?

Was Logan re-elected between seasons 4 and 5, or was he still holding office from when Keeler died? I was just wondering because this would help on another page. - Tyminator1 (Talk) 02:14, November 6, 2009 (UTC)