Talk:Mandy

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Picture

I'd rather use the portrait-size pic of her in front of the SUV. It fits in better with the other main characters' pics. --Pyramidhead 21:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I understand that justification, but I prefer the picture of her aiming the pistol for the following reasons:

1. The profile picture is meant to tell the readers something about the character, to sum him/her up. An infobox picture of David Palmer at Lake Oswego fishing with his son would never do, since he's most always in a suit, being Presidential. As such, a picture of Mandy in captivity gives readers a very poor representation the character. Nina in prison might make sense, as she was captive for a long time, but Mandy as we see her is nearly always active on her own terms, committing crimes, being a killer. She was only held by the government for a brief time, just long enough to confirm the location of Marwan's chopper. A staged picture of her with handcuffs is as inappropriate as a picture of Palmer fishing on the lake.

2. Sometimes wiki users make an effort to use the sidebar pic of the character as last seen. This isn't something often done here, anyway, as an infobox picture of Edgar Stiles dead on the ground would be immediately reverted. Also, although we last saw Mandy in captivity, it was only temporary, as the terms of the deal were clear: she was to be released upon confirmation of her intel.

3. I find the pic of Mandy by the SUV in handcuffs to be simply ugly. The lighting is god-awful and she looks like she is about to transform into a zombie. I also get the impression she is wearing a wig. Mia Kirshner is an outstandingly beautiful woman, who plays an extremely dangerous character, so I find an ugly pic of a helpless woman to be a terrible representation of her. – Blue Rook 18:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)_talkcontribs

Sexual orientation

Is it necessary to mention in the summary at the top that she was bi-sexual? We're supposed to be respecting everyone and labeling someone as bi-sexual as the first thing we say isn't really respecting her. It's more appropriate for a "relationships" section. --24 Administration 20:25, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

You know, I'm wondering if she's really bisexual or if she's lesbian? I mean, the only sexual encounter we've seen from her that appears genuine was with Bridgit. When we've seen her with a man, it just seems like she's playing him for the sake of accomplishing her objective. Hypnometal 10:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd say to assume neither, just in case; just all her "either". OneWeirdDude 00:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Assumed Experience?

Why do we have a section called "Assumed Experience"? -Kapoli 22:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Day 4

Did Mandy use the name "Mandy" in Day 4? As far as I can remember, she was just referred to as "the hostile". -- Azure Syaoran 04:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

If that is the case, I do not believe that it would change anything in her entry here. Do you feel that something should be changed in her entry if the answer is "yes", or do you ask out of curiosity? Blue Rook 04:46, 19 April 2007 (UTC)_talkcontribs

An alias?

When was it stated in the show that "Mandy" is not her actual first name? I know she's gone by other names, but that doesn't really verify that "Mandy" isn't her real one. Is this alias claim something that's been proven, or mere conjecture? James26 23:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, I don't know. It might have been during the opening eps of Season 1, but I personally can't verify it just yet. That's a good thing to call into question. If no one can verify it soon, we will have to remove all that "alias" stuff from the article, because we don't accept pure conjecture in the articles here. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 18:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm 95% sure Findings at CTU covers this, but I'll have to check for specifics. Near as I can remember, S1 doesn't indicate that Mandy is an alias. S2 doesn't address her name at all. And I think S4 only refers to her as "Rothenburg." --Proudhug 21:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast and cordial responses :) -- James26 00:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Wait a minute, if her name isn't mentioned at all in Season 2 and she has a different name in Season 4, how do we know it's her name. Maybe they are different characters?

99.242.69.253 02:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

We know that Mandy is the same character throughout the seasons for 2 reasons I can think of. Aaron Pierce in Season 4 gives a presentation to David Palmer and Logan that indicates the attacker from the end of Season 2 is the same woman captured by Jack, Curtis, and Tony at The Mercerwood. The actress is also credited as Mandy in Seasons 1 and 4. The logical conclusion is that "Mandy" is not as likely to be an alias since her employer Ira Gaines referred to her as such, whereas "Rothenberg" was used by expendable assets like Joz and Shari. "Rothenberg", her Season 4 alias, was no more likely to be her real name than "Miranda Stapleton", her Season 1 alias. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 04:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey again, everyone. Been nearly a month since we first addressed this. Was there a conclusion reached? --James26 18:07, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I feel silly to say this, but I forgot my conclusion since I never posted it here. What I did was, I went to amazon.com, performed a simple "Search Inside This Book" for the House Special Subcommittee Findings at CTU novel, for the text Mandy and Alias. I can't remember my results, and I can't duplicate this procedure now because it keeps crashing the crappy browser I'm using today. But you/someone else can do it, let me know what you find. I'm trying to remember, and I think Proudhug is correct: the Findings novel calls the name "Mandy" another alias. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 22:41, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm off my computer soon but if anyone wants to check then they can follow the link. [1] -2Anthony4/Talk/Edits22:21, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

That link does not work for me, but I searched myself and found our answer. On p119, Bauer tells Fulbright that there was an "assassin whose known aliases are 'Miranda Stapleton' and 'Mandy'." So there is an IU reference to "Mandy" being an alias, after all. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 07:50, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --James26 22:19, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I know it's been a long time, but I was just reading through this discussion and wondered - why is it assumed that the names 'Mandy' and 'Rothenburg' are mutually exclusive? I think people don't like the idea that Mandy would give out her real surname to her neighbours, but let's face it if it was any other character this page would definitely be called 'Mandy Rothenburg'. How many females have the first name Rothenburg? Now don't get me wrong, I personally don't think the page should be called that, but if we stick to our own rules, we have got an IU source for a first name and an IU source for a second name.--Acer4666 23:00, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

It is assumed that the first name "Mandy" and the surname "Rothenburg" are exclusive because it would be a much bigger assumption to say that they were used in tandem. As I understand it, there is no evidence that they were used in tandem, because the word Mandy wasn't even spoken or referred to during Season 4. Additionally, it would be very inconsistent and out-of-character for Mandy to use her code-name from her "Gaines days" with outsiders. Given the nature of the woman, and given the fact that the word "Mandy" didn't come up, I think it would be a very forced conclusion to connect the two names in a manner that stated the woman used them at the same time. I see your point, but our rules wouldn't force us to do that given these circumstances. Blue Rook  talk  contribs 06:27, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Season 8

Can't believe they didn't use her in season 7. I really, really, really hope she comes back in season 8. I mean, she's alive. There's no reason for her to stop just because she was caught by Jack this one time.

New Alias

Nina's Computer

Hows about this one then? This is a pic of Nina's computer on Day 1: 4am-5am. She is looking at a diagram of plane seats and one of them is empty. I think it's unfeasible to suggest that the plane is not Flight 221 and she's looking at a different plane with an empty seat given the context of the episode. Now Tony said that there was only one empty seat on the plane, and here we see it, and sat next to it is the name Angela P. Elliott. Now I acknowledge this disagrees with what he said in the previous episode that the empty seat was 2B, whereas this one is 11D. Does Findings at CTU state that Mandy's seat was booked under the name Miranda Stapleton? Is this another alias of hers? Let me know your thoughts!--Acer4666 14:11, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

On a slightly different topic, I can't seem to find rules for what consists an article-worthy character on the policy section. Can I make pages for Paul & Georgia Coulander (seen in the pic)? Technically they are mentioned characters, we might even be able to get faces for them from the plane scenes (as we know their seat numbers). Apparently John Mailloux was just a name on a computer screen - but if we start with this will we have to create mentioned character pages for the big list of CTU crew names on Gaines's computer? --Acer4666 14:29, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

There are several instances of character articles created only because their name popped up in a computer screen (see Jan Marino, Alexandra Gaines, among many others). Thief12 18:31, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

The Residences

It never says she lives there.

Good spot! It was actually The Mercerwood, a different apartment complex. Remember to sign your posts with four tildas (~~~~) ;) --Acer4666 22:47, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Status?

Last I checked, her "immunity" deal was similar to Dana Walsh and Nina Myers where the federal bureau was going to promise Mandy a deal but weren't going to go through with their end of the deal.--Gunman6 (talk) 02:12, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean? Nina was pardoned and released, Dana was about to be pardoned when she got carted off to be tortured. When was it stated that they weren't going to release Mandy? --Pyramidhead (talk) 03:10, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Oh that's right, drat, it's been awhile. As for Mandy, I just recall Curtis and company leading her away after their interrogation of her.--Gunman6 (talk) 04:36, April 23, 2014 (UTC)